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Jan 16, 2008

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The Quanta v. LG oral argument transcript should be available a bit later this afternoon at:

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts.html

Another good source would be www.scotusblog.com

Are they not releasing audio of today's argument? I've been checking Oyez religiously all day and nothing so far....

Michael,

I checked the SCOTUS web site just now, and the transcript is still not available.

Dennis - new patent examiner blogs?

"I checked the SCOTUS web site just now, and the transcript is still not available."

Well it's up now...

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/06-937.pdf

The oral argument transcript is now on the site.

Outside the Box v. Travel Caddy... it's funny, because the company is called "Outside the Box" and the District Court won't let their between claims extend to stuff 'outside the box'.

Michael,

Thanks, downloaded, will likely read tomorrow (with dread).

EG,

Trust me, you will wince repeatedly as you read it. One thought that ran through my mind as I read it was why no one bothered to mention that LG's patents did not cover Intel's products. Still another was why no one mentioned that the alleged infringers always had the option to combine Intel's products with the alleged infringers' products in a non-infringing manner.

The more I read arguments by persons who are not experts in Title 35 the more disheartened I become that problematic court decisions will continue to be the rule.

"Trust me, you will wince repeatedly as you read it. One thought that ran through my mind as I read it was why no one bothered to mention that LG's patents did not cover Intel's products. Still another was why no one mentioned that the alleged infringers always had the option to combine Intel's products with the alleged infringers' products in a non-infringing manner."

wince at the advocates or the justices?

D

Anonymous:

Both. Petitioner, DOJ supporting petitioner, and Respondent each became repeatedly tongue tied. This in some instances was of their own making, but in other instances resulted from questions presented from the bench.

I did smile when I noted one of the justices ask about things that replicate...like seeds. Guess he must have had McFarling in mind.

J. Dyks's disset has merit, but IMO, he is wrong to hang it under on the "comprising" peg.

I thought that it was settled law that in the following claim structure:

"A widget comprising:
1) an X;
2) a Y of from 2 and 3 cm in length; and
3) 3 Zs."

that the openness of "comprising" means that in addition to 1),2), and 3), there could be other items 4), 5), and 6), and that the an of 1) and the a of 2) both mean mean "1 or more", but that the "2 to 3 cm" limitation in 2), and the 3 limitation in 3), could not be got around (since otherwise you would render those claim limitations meaningless).

Cheers, Luke

"but that the "2 to 3 cm" limitation in 2), and the 3 limitation in 3), could not be got around (since otherwise you would render those claim limitations meaningless)."

I agree with the first statement, but not the second. The CAFC decision of a couple of years ago comes to mind, dealing with the patent on 3 razor blades as it applied to the product with 4 razor blades. If I recall it correctly, the district court did not find infringement (i.e. 3 met only 3), but the CAFC did, because to have 4, you had to have 3, which met the limitation.

Holy resurrection, Batman!

Question about the Patent Prosecution Highway: has anyone actually used it or even looked into it? I typically take cases national into several other countries, and my company has foreign inventors/offices that would permit us to file in those countries v. the US.

Looking at the USA-AU PPH, it appears a priority claim to a US application kills one's chances of doing anything if the AU application reaches allowance first.

The larger question to me is what benefit, if any, the "fast track" request offers. Will the USPTO actually defer at all to the work of the other country's office, or just use the new references to make a new rejection?

I am really curious to know whether PPHs around the world are doing any good to its targets: examiners, applicants etc

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