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Jan 31, 2008

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Dennis - DirectTV has now dropped Tivo as well, and their new DVR boxes are not Tivo's but simply DVRs (with bad software).

For any of you "in the know," are the other non-infringing DVR's on the market inferior to Tivo? If so, is this because of avoiding Tivo's patent or for another reason?

Directv and Tivo have become more friendly since newscorp is out of the picture, bringing new features to series 2 directv tivos in 08. I am optimistic there will be a new HD Directv Tivo in the 09-10 time frame...

"Echostar stock (NASDAQ: SATS) fell immediately upon news of the decision, but quickly rose again."

... they must have realized what a drop in the bucket this verdict is to Echostar's bottom line.

Sounds like Echostar is playing with fire on the design around. Flipping the bird to the federal courts is not a legal argument.

No real bump in the volume so I think it's unlikely that the dip was related to any surprise in the announcement.

Why didn't the Fed Cir opinion even mention eBay? Didn't the SC instruct them to go through all four factors?

More importantly, there was no mention of KSR.

It looks like the Appellant appealed the kitchen sink, except for obviousness.

"Why didn't the Fed Cir opinion even mention eBay? Didn't the SC instruct them to go through all four factors?"

Maybe because the CAFC didn't review the decision to issue an injunction.

Captain, the problem is, that if you want high definition cable channels, but can't get cable, your only option is satellite, and unlike cable providers which are required to provide cable cards to those that want them, satellite companies don't provide open interfaces to their signals. For non-high definition, you can get a standard Tivo that can take an analog signal and digitize it, and control the satellite set top box with a remote dongle. The additional remote control (for the Tivo), double conversion from digital to analog (which degrades the signals) and the remote dongles (which are not 100% reliable) all combine to make this an somewhat undesirable solution. Therefore, even if the user interfaces and feature sets on the Dish and DTV DVRs blow, it doesn't impact their ability to sell (or rent) the units -- particularly for high definition, where their option is the only one.

J. Bryson's characterization of the use of the phrase "including, but not limited to ...." in Claim 1 was "...a term of such biblical imprecision" Indeed! I have never seen that phrase used in a claim before, and I guess this is why. It resonates like a fart at a funeral. But in the end, for some reason I don't quite get, Bryson upheld it.

Why on earth didn't TiVo write the independent claim broadly with respect to the broadcast standards? I can't believe there was blocking art on this issue that they got around with listing the available standards as "including, but not limited to."

The other point is do not, never, ever, no way refer to an embodiment as "the invention." After surviving all the biblical imprecision abuse from the defendant and the judge, Claim 1 went out the door on this slip, citing Verizon v Vonex.

You might also note FN 2, which looks to me like a slight lurch toward the claim construction as fact proponents. The slightest tremor preceding a larger rattle?

This is a great opinion. It was technically difficult subject matter made clear, and a couple of tricky legal issues deftly resolved.

The patent claims are an example of what is wrong with patent law. The hardware claims are really claims for the abstract design of a data processing device rather than the physical design ( so big, made of out of such and so material with such and so shape ) and in that respect are closer to what we think of as software than to what we traditionally think of as hardware.

What TIVO has really tried to patent here is the IDEA of recording a television data stream to a random access device. The description of how that is to be accomplished creates no innovation since they are using standard concepts (logical building blocks) in standard (obvious) ways to achieve a standard design result.

What part of the patent points to a clever or novel solution to the problem being addressed?

The injunction is now live. Dish will not turn off it's DVR's because it believe it have a workaround.

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