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Feb 04, 2008

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"PubPat Recent Successes:...Microsoft '517 FAT Patent: Patentee modifies claims, which are allowed."

So, the FAT patent had some 112s, PubPat requests reexamination, the patentee gets to correct the 112s and the patent comes through complete, unscathed, tested by fire, and it's called a success...

http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US005579517&PageNum=20&IDKey=C6CCCEF1D41A&HomeUrl=http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=5579517.PN.%2526OS=PN/5579517%2526RS=PN/5579517

I'd like to think it was just a mistake, but I remember PubPat also calling the Pfizer reexamination a "substantial victory" when (as to FDA approved Lipitor formulations) it was apparently exactly the opposite.

http://patentbaristas.com/archives/2005/12/02/pubpat-claims-substantial-victory-in-lipitor-patent-challenge/

Regarding the MS reexamination, Mr. Ravichner said, "This reexamination is concluded, but that doesn't mean this patent can't ever be challenged again."

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3576896

Well, that's good to know. If at first you don't succeed....

Real Anonymous, you failed to make a good argument for cutting off post grant review to the larger public. The article about the Liptor patent speculates far into the future in order to arrive at the rather hopeful conclusion that the amendments will have no effect. One can speculate a lot less and arrive at a different and unsurprising conclusion -- the amendments will matter.

Rather than picking around the edges, what are your thoughts on the outcome of the JPEG reexamination (broadest claims finally rejected, patentee abandoned patent)?

Looking at the proposed statutory changes however, I don't see how ex parte reexamination is cut off from the public.

Inter partes however, that’s a different story, definitely looks like the “private party – public not allowed” sign hangs on the door.

"Rather than picking around the edges, what are your thoughts on the outcome of the JPEG reexamination (broadest claims finally rejected, patentee abandoned patent)?"

Sorry, patentsoldier, I'm not as familiar with the JPEG patent as I am with the FAT patent. But I can tell you that I haven't yet seen one instance where a PubPat reexam resulted in a [commercially significant] result that would not have come about without the PubPat reexam. (Didn't PubPat request reexamination of a patent that Columbia had independently agreed, in the face of lawsuits, not to assert?)

I know a little about reexaminations, and understand that there is much room for improvement in the way the system is set up. [If your competitor throws prior art at you in licensing negotiations to try to assert your patent is invalid, do you know what the best strategy for you as the patentee to do with your own patent often is? Doesn't that tell you there's something wrong with the system?]

That said, I actually think PubPat's post-grant review proposal warrants consideration - its certainly better in my mind than what's in S.1145 right now.

I don't understand why the patent side doesn't adopt the TM side's approach. Publish the application, open an opposition period with no presumption of validity, grant the patent with a presumption of validity but exposed to cancellation, followed by an untouchable status in which the patent can be attacked only by those against whom it is asserted. The TM period of 5 years might be too long for a patent with a limited lifetime, but waiting 2 years should be long enough.

I don't understand why the patent side doesn't adopt the TM side's approach. Publish the application, open an opposition period with no presumption of validity, grant the patent with a presumption of validity but exposed to cancellation, followed by an untouchable status in which the patent can be attacked only by those against whom it is asserted. The TM period of 5 years might be too long for a patent with a limited lifetime, but waiting 2 years should be long enough.

I don't understand why the patent side doesn't adopt the TM side's approach. Publish the application, open an opposition period with no presumption of validity, grant the patent with a presumption of validity but exposed to cancellation, followed by an untouchable status in which the patent can be attacked only by those against whom it is asserted. The TM period of 5 years might be too long for a patent with a limited lifetime, but waiting 2 years should be long enough.

POPA has come out against the patent reform bill. http://www.bustpatents.com/unions.pdf

Please label Second Window: "admitted Infringers please line up here to provide damning admissions"

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