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May 03, 2009

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Quite honestly, the plaintiff is lucky he didn't get his patent invalidated. Putting aside that the plaintiff's broad claim construction probably had prior art out there, the CAFC has been more than willing to invalidate patents with broad claim construction under 112 first (for lack of either enablement - Leibel Flarsheim - or written description - ICU Medical). A refusal to adaopt the broad claim construction here was generous.

First Posner now Cudahy? I can understand bringing in patent-experienced district court judges like Whyte, Saris, O'Grady, etc., but I hope this is not a growing trend to allow other appellate judges sit at the CAFC.

The court was not generous. It's nearly impossible invalidate claims on appeal when the only issue being appealed is infringement.

I don't know how old the patent is, but I recall an old British movie in which a software programmer got rich by diverting rounded off single pennies from the bank's transactions into his own accounts.

Just Visiting - tell that to Stephen Comiskey, who got his patent invalidated on appeal on a ground neither party raised.

Gotta love this . . .

""""Cudahy went about as far as the Court ever does by describing Burke's invention only within quotation marks (Burke's "invention") and once referring to the "'invention', such as it is." The court more explicitly showed its disdain by awarding costs to the defendants."""""

This is awesome.

Now if you assert your presumptively valid patent, not only do you get the bum treatment from the CAFC, you get slapped with costs.

Costs!

That'll teach them trolls and other small players to try to come in and push around the big boys with their Ebayed "patents" and their "arguments" about "infringement"!!!

One small step for the defendant, one giant step for the continued power shift to the corporate interests that run America.

Think about it. Next small timer who approaches an attorney about taking a suit on contingency against a big player - first thing he should be told is, "you know, there's recent precedent that, if you attempt to assert your patent and the judges don't think your "invention" is much of an "invention," you might end up paying costs to the other side."

What are typical costs for a Fed Cir appeal after a trial?

Couple mill?

Hah!

What we really need to do is to use the already existing "large entity/small entity" distinction to develop two separate legal paradigms.

Small entity? Please move to the "license only, and only if you're lucky line."

Large entity? Who would you like to sue?

It's about time a troll got hit for costs for trying to stretch patent claims to cover the world.

Maybe the next troll will think twice before filing another overbroad suit.

What we really need is district court judges with the guts to grant Rule 11 sanctions even before discovery.

Is anybody out there getting the idea yet, how best to secure the public policy objective that, when a patent issues out of the PTO, it's of high enough "Quality" to justify the award of injunctive relief against parties performing acts within the ambit of any one of its claims. Inculcate in the minds of Applicants and their attorneys that, from now on, the mantra "Be Careful What You Ask For" runs all the way, from soup to nuts, from filing at the PTO to issuing proceedings in the District Court. Simple self-interest works much better than any number of Rules governing Duty of Candor, Applicant-funded searches, IDS and all the rest.


What’s obvious to one may not be obvious to another – ah, there’s the rub.

Whether or not some thing is obvious is a subjective question,
no matter what test is applied – unless, unless you require some evidence in the method of testing.

Oh, but the Supremes gave us the subjective KSR test, so now we are back to

what’s obvious to one may not be obvious to another – ah, there’s the rub.

The loser in an infringement case should always have to pay the costs of the winner. At the very least, it should be mandatory that a plaintiff pay the defendant's legal costs if the plaintiff's patent is invalidated during the case.

To be or not to be … inventive
That is the question
Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind
To suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous infringement
Or to take up writs and, by litigating, end them…


Hello 36 Chambers,

That’s just plain silly.
Why not make the PTO pay since they granted the patent.
That’s just as silly.

I don't know how old the patent is, but I recall an old British movie in which a software programmer got rich by diverting rounded off single pennies from the bank's transactions into his own accounts.

Posted by: Paul F. Morgan | May 03, 2009 at 08:34 PM


Paul, this concept was repeated in Superman III (1983), where Richard Pryor's charracter rounds off banking transactions from a Lex Luthor corp. (Lex eventually hires him to build a supercomputer to battle Superman).

And then again in Office Space (1999).

Those legal costs to be paid out, by the loser, to the winner, to include the ones run up during the discovery phase, right? And JAOI, I hope your illustrious European counsel is a bit more confident about what is and is not obvious at the EPO than you are, about what is or is not obvious at the SCOTUS.

In the U.S., the "costs" normally paid by any loser are normally a very small percentage of total litigation costs. See in particular the cost items listed in Title 28 Sections 1920-22. They do not include attorney fees.

PSA or KSR
That's another question
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind
To identify the closest prior art and formulate an objective technical problem
Or to just sniff it and see

Heck, why not just toss a coin? OK, best of three...

The Court's analysis of Phillips is superficial and appears to import limitations from preferred embodiments into the claims.

Patently_Blingin: What's a "preferred" embodiment? Is there any definition of this term, anywhere? What would make one of the disclosed embodiments "preferred," and how could you tell this from the specification?

I wouldn't worry about the BoA suit. Assuming they are stil around, they'll likely be judgement-proof. In any case, the "Keep the Change" obviously doesn't fit within the scope of the claim as the CAFC just construed it... the amount is not selected by the cardholder, it is set by the merchant clearing bank. The battle just shifted to whether BoA or the cardholder is the payor.

They obviously thought that the language they relied upon should limit all embodiments, no? Or are you saying that there are other embodiments, supporting a broader interpretation of "excess cash", that the Court ignored?

Excess cash is excess cash and should include any cash in the person's possession that is not used to buy the merchandise in question. So if you buy a banana, milk, and loaf of bread, and then realize that you have some excess cash and so you buy a candy bar as a gift for your child, then the buying of the candy bar is obviously infringement of my patent.

I keep hearing people talk about obviousness and anticipation and stuff. I don't even know what that stuff is but it sounds very technical. All I know is the PTO gave me this patent and I'm doing what anyone with a patent would do under the circumstances. And yes I've also filed an application on my business model for making money with a patent.

/Dr. Burke off

Patent attorneys sometimes refer to the disclosed embodiments in the specification as "preferred embodiments." Has anyone ever seen a definition of what the word "preferred" means in this context?

Good question.

Last application I filed, I just said "another embodiment" for all embodiments.

I guess calling all embodiments "preferred embodiments" is also safe.

The embodiments disclosed in the application are no more "preferred" than any other embodiments (including infringements) that do not happen to be disclosed in the application.

I just wonder why some people seem to automatically refer to the specification as being "the preferred embodiments."

Just an ordinary inventor(TM) Wrote:

"Whether or not some thing is obvious is a subjective question,
no matter what test is applied – "

As an "Actual Inventor" I look for and use "Teaching Away" as a very objective and power test for non obviousness.

Hi Actual Inventor,

Finally, we agree on something.
However, "Teaching Away" is as rare a a hen's tooth.

get off my lawn wrote: " Patent attorneys sometimes refer to the disclosed embodiments in the specification as "preferred embodiments." Has anyone ever seen a definition of what the word "preferred" means in this context?"

I don't know what Patent Attorneys mean, and most likely they don't either, but as an "Actual Inventor", I use the term to mean there are other possible embodiments of the invention other the ones described in the specification. For this reason every embodiment I refer to in the spec is a preferred embodiment, including the best mode of invention.

Just an ordinary inventor(TM) wrote: "Hi Actual Inventor, Finally, we agree on something. However, "Teaching Away" is as rare a a hen's tooth."

Well, If an invention is not pioneering, prolific, and extraordinary enough to have teaching away references, then perhaps its not worthy of patent protection.

The preferred embodiments are those you actually discuss in the spec. The only exception is if you are silly enough to actually describe one or more, but not all of them, as "preferred" in so many words, which I don't recommend.

Alun Palmer, Patent Agent

Somebody wants a "definition" of "preferred embodiment". Well, I know what "preferred" means and I don't see any ambiguity there. But as to what an "embodiment" is, now there I regularly encounter ambiguity when I read specifications written in the USA. It is one of those words that patent drafters use all the time, without first engaging the brain and calling to mind the ordinary day to day meaning of the word. I know what an "illustrated embodiment" is, namely, a pinpoint within the envelope of the inventive concept. But drafters follow the words "In one embodiment, the invention comprises...." followed by an all-encompassing (boundary, peripheral, call it what you will) statement of the perceived inventive concept, and that's doing violence to ordinary language. Of course I know why they do it, so I know who's to blame for the violence visited on the English language by all those innocent drafters as they just try to do the best for their clients.

Did you actually read the specification? All I could find was the link to the decision. I would be curious if the specification contained any boiler plate style disclaimers such as the following...

"While the description contains much specificity, this should not be construed as limitations on the scope but rather as an exemplification of the presently preferred embodiments thereof. Many other ramifications and variations are possible within the teachings of the invention."

Such disclaimers, along with other phrases like, "One example includes but is not limited to" And of course strategic use of words such as, "preferably", "can", and "may" all give room for arguing a broader claim scope when enforcing your patent. However if the applicant did not have any liberating disclaimers and language in the application then they indeed left themselves wide open to having their claim scope nailed shut during an infringement case.

Also, if the issue was broader interpretation of "excess cash" then why didn't the inventors simply act as their own lexicographer and write a broad definition? Again I need to read the actual application to see what really happened here.

"Also, if the issue was broader interpretation of 'excess cash' then why didn't the inventors simply act as their own lexicographer and write a broad definition?"

Probably because nobody thought of the ridiculously broad "interpretation" of excess cash (or the ridiculously distorted interpretation of "sales price") until the litigation target had been identified.

It's easy to re-write the specification after the case is lost.

Now it's getting fun. Why doesn't every Applicant (smarter than most patent attorneys) habitually write into the app definitions like: When in my claim I write "black" I mean any colour under the sun, including white. Or would that be getting silly? Fact is, like most people, inventors want it both ways, namely, a narrow definition to bamboozle through to issue, but thereafter a wide claim interpretation, for use when hunting down infringers. The claim is just like Mario Franzosi's long-haired white cat, slim as a snake until it's through the issue gate, but then it sets all its long hair on end, to appear twice its previous size, when intimidating those who won't back down.

Bloom: "Probably because nobody thought of the ridiculously broad "interpretation" of excess cash (or the ridiculously distorted interpretation of "sales price") until the litigation target had been identified."

You must really love big corporations to ridicule a little guy like me who is only trying to take them down a notch.

/Mr. Burke off

"However if the applicant did not have any liberating disclaimers and language in the application then they indeed left themselves wide open to having their claim scope nailed shut during an infringement case."

I wouldn't rely on "liberating disclaimers" much. Such things are inherent in a patent disclosure and following interpretations aren't they? Every claim limitation is given its broadest reasonable interpretation. Reasonable being the key word there.

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